All My Art Is In Some Way

I Take A Cliche And Try To Organize Its Forms To Make It Monumental. The Difference Is Often Not Great, But It Is Crucial.

Yes, You Know Sometimes, We Started Out Thinking Out How Strange Our Painting Was Next To Normal Painting, Which Was Anything Expressionist. You Forget That This Has Been Thirty Five Years Now And People Don't Look At It As If It Were Some Kind Of Oddity.

But Usually I Begin Things Through A Drawing, So A Lot Of Things Are Worked Out In The Drawing. But Even Then, I Still Allow For And Want To Make Changes.

But When I Worked On A Painting I Would Do It From A Drawing But I Would Put Certain Things I Was Fairly Sure I Wanted In The Painting, And Then Collage On The Painting With Printed Dots Or Painted Paper Or Something Before I Really Committed It.

I Was At Rutgers University, And That Was A Center For Fluxus In A Way. But It Wasn't What I Was Interested In. All Of It Had An Impact - As Did Happenings - Because I Could See That Art Was Changing From Expressionism, Which I Was Doing At The Time, Or Thought I Was Doing. But It Wasn't The Direction I Really Wanted To Go.