A Lot Of The Guys Were Like

It Was Messed Up, Because In 1947 My Family Moved To Seattle And I Had To Get Up At 5:00 O'clock In The Morning To Catch The Ferry Back To Bremerton Every Morning Because I Was Boys Club President.

We Were In The Heart Of The Ghetto In Chicago During The Depression, And Every Block - It Was Probably The Biggest Black Ghetto In America - Every Block Also Is The Spawning Ground Practically For Every Gangster, Black And White, In America Too.

I Was Raised In Chicago And I Guess That Was One Of The Special Breeding Grounds For Gangsters Of All Colors. That Was The Detroit Of The Gangster World. The Car Industry Was Thugs.

If You Started In New York You Were Dealing With The Biggest Guys In The World. You're Dealing With Charlie Parker And All The Big Bands And Everything. We Got More Experience Working In Seattle.

I Chose The Trombone Because The Trombone Players In The Marching Band Got To Be Up Front With The Majorettes (because Of The Slides) And I Loved That!